The New Broly movie cost 8.5million to make. Goku was only a Super Saiyan and once he got the energy from everyone, his power level was a bitover Brolys, thus making Goku stronger than Broly and Goku defeating Broly. But we know that's not true since he still eats and sleeps. Narration that doesn't fit the visuals nor the dub dialogue and the same still image you keep throwing in over and over that has been discredited time and again that you refuse to acknowledge as having happened. It is an absurd and childish claim. Trunks blast did very minimal in the struggle. I don't need proof of an exact timeframe, I just need to prove that it wasn't all done in 1 Attack, which I have already done 3 times now above, with Narration and Art both supporting my claim. I don't know. Meaning the Camera was turning, not the galaxy. We don't even have figures for how much the animation cost for the original Dragon Ball Z films. Location: Makai from YYH. However if we just went by the animation cost alone, it'd be over 100-200thousand dollars for a theatrical anime. Which was one attack expanding outward. If I eat a plate of cookies and there's crumbs left on the plate, does that mean there are still cookies? Cell. Broly dispatched of it before it hit his Omega Blast. He never fought better than Cell. Lol. No, it's a fact. Visuals also override statements. And even then, Gohan, at one point, is physically overpowers Broly, when he broke out his hold. I just need to prove that it wasn't all done in 1 Attack, which I have already done 3 times now above, with Narration and Art both supporting my claim. M10 Broly, however, is different. Not counting writers, voice actors, tools/hardware, advertisement, music, etc. When they fought Broly that was BEFORE the Cell games, but during Cells games they were much stronger since then, but still not as strong as Cell. Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan >> Grown up Gohan, Trunks and Goten. The answer was pretty easy and obvious. The Cell that stated that can blow a Solar System was Super Perfect Cell, who is = SSJ 2 Teen Gohan. Cell by feats is AT BEST Multi Island Level. Broly got killed by Goten, Gohan and Goku. Remember Gohan went SSJ2 against broly in the second movie and he got his ass kicked. Bump. Re-edited: Now that I'm think about it. There are tons of grammar and subbing errors in all of media and claiming that the old Broly subs are truer than any other is absolute nonsense. The remnants of systems on the very outermost edges of what used to be the Southern Quadrant. Which they admitted to. @reikai: I'm a lil' disappointed to be honest. (2) King Kai didn't believe Super Saiyans were real until Goku turned into one. Heck even planets were there. That means he'd have to bust around 40 galaxies a second for the next 20yrs straight. The logic of Broly fans make me wanna hate DBZ, I mean seriously. He was overwhelmed by a ki attack from 3 SSJs and subsequently killed. @king_stranglehold_da_first: And the delusions continue. Broly would've been a better finisher character than Buu or anyone in GT IMO. supressed perfect cell did the same thing (shrugged off a neck kick full of vegetas power). It would take millions of years to move that much. There is literally zero supporting evidence for this. It really annoys me how much people overestimate Brolys power, I mean there's people who think he's SSJ4 level. So...no, Broly is still stronger. Sep 25, 2011 #3 Dude in the movie whether it be the English or Japanese(original) version, the South Galaxy was STILLthere. You claiming it's an opinion doesn't make it so. I don't need proof of an exact timeframe. Control Circlet restricts his power and prevents him from going beyond a Restraint SSJ Form. Literally don't even need one for people to know how editing and animation is done. 1 decade ago. Cell stomps Broly into a bloody paste. Cell wasn't hurt by Vegeta's blast he was simply distracted by it. Buu had a WAAAAY higher power level than Broly, but he didn't one shot bust a Galaxy but just went around blowing up planets(like Broly did), if Buu was a galaxy buster then why not just one shot bust the whole galaxy than going busting planets one at a time. But if this is TFS Broly, he shit stomps even harder because his power is MAXIMUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was able to destroy most of south galaxy in under 40 years. Digital computers and animation software today make the process far simpler, but also far more generic. And once again, saying "there's something left therefore it didn't happen" doesn't work here. My claim actually rests on what we are actually shown, combined with Context Clues from the Original Sub. First movie Broly (Broly - The Legendary Supersaiyan) vs Cell (Perfect Cell). You claim it was done in 20yrs, and bring no proof of it. Even Broly was moved a little when punched. Especially since, as I've pointed out before, Broly performs this feat while as a Suppressed Super Saiyan. Broly has never fought better opponents than Cell either. Fusion Reborn contradicts the main timeline like 5+ times so it definitely doesn't either. Cell is Stronger.Goku beat broly but he dident beat cell.super perfect cell has much more power than broly LSS. People think Broly > Cell for many stupid reasons like thinking Gohan was stronger than Cell or because Broly blew up a large amount of a galaxy lol. He also has more techniques and abilities than Broly. The power level to even bust a galaxy in DBZ is much higher than the power level Broly had. Now it wasn't shown that Gohan was fatigued in that, considering he went SSJ/SSJ2 but I feel like that would take a hit to his energy levels overall, especially when he depowered pretty much right after the lava bit and passed out. Except those things don't contradict anything. M8 Goku would be weaker than 50% MSSJ Goku. How do you think Goku was even able to get there? There being remnants left over doesn't change the fact that, by an large, the South Galaxy has been annihilated. Cell easy unless its second coming broly but cell would still win but not easy. @dratini1331: I guess its people who overrate Broly so high for why I despise him.Broly would've had a good tie in its just supreme wanking that grinds my gears, [Sarcasm]Hmmmmmm....This sure debunks what me and the video said.[/sarcasm]. Yikes. Great thinking whoever made this forum. Good luck debunking the writer of Movies 8 and 10 himself DB fans :). Again you have no proof it was 20yrs or anything like that. The answer was pretty easy and obvious. I didn't feel like explaining bits by bits how Broly didn't really destroy the South Galaxy and so I just posted this video that explains everything. TakenStew22. Chain should be: Broly second coming =/> Super Perfect Cell (full power) > Broly > Pikkon =/> Supressed Cell > Goku Latchley 12:36, January 8, 2012 (UTC) I think that Pikkon was stronger than Goku becuase it was ony Goku's smarts that won him the match plus a powerful attack. 0 1. It took that many people to put him down, including a Super Saiyan 2, whereas it took a bunch of beat down people fused into a Super Saiyan to beat Broly. SSJ/SSJ2 Gohan(whichever, at this point, tired of discussing whatever form he was in) vs LSSJ Broly, Gohan's punch did nothing to Broly at first, he then got hit twice before getting in a hold which he overpowered and broke out of, then kicking Broly in the head and then the lava bit happened. He destroy multiple galaxies in the South quadrant in restricted ssj form in movie 8 . It's stated Gohan's stronger as a teenager and it's pretty obvious Teen Gohan is stronger than the kids. No damage whatsoever. He was gaining the upper hand until Goku went Super Saiyan 2, then Broly got destroyed. You said it took Broly 20yrs to destroy South Galaxy. Super Perfect Cell takes out one of Gohans arms with one blast and only loses the beam struggle because he gets blasted by another person. Super Perfect Cell vs Broly would result in a stomp. It doesn't because they're different Goku's. Because from what I see, the two are evenly trading blows, I do admit, cooler has an advantage, but overall (especially during the instant transmission scene) the two are rivals. Claiming one group is better at translating another's language than that other group is completely false, as is claiming it's more accurate. The difference being what Broly did was on a vastly more astronomical scale. In the buu saga, Vegeta states that Gohan had gotten much weaker. You quite clearly act as though you are using author intent, as well as claiming that the Subtitles are also accurate. I understand this argument, and while it is possible, it isn't enough to prove your claim any more than mine. Since it's still 1/4th of the Universe containing a quarter of all matter and energy in the universe, that's still 25billion galaxies at bare minimum. Different timelines, different rules and events. Sep 25, 2011 #2 Teen Gohan stomps all . All the scene does is further solidify just how powerful Broly is. I can keep proving you wrong at every turn. Yes. Meaning he reduced the Southern Quadrant to a dirt stain at less than a fourth of his initial strength. No evidence that it's universe sized, plus the Quadrants, N/S/E/W Galaxy, make up the sum total of the Physical Universe. It took a weakened Goku with the power of Piccolo, Vegeta, Trunks and Gohan to kill Broly, whereas it took a weakened Gohan, Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Piccolo, Goku and Vegeta to kill Cell. Perfect Cell held back a LOT against Goku. So don't wank that feat please. i said that broly was gaining the upper hand against goku, gohan and goten and you seem to be forgetting the fact that goku came back from the dead yet again and that saiyans get stronger from suffering through a near death experience or even dying for that matter.... i would say that a kamehameha fired by a stronger version of goku, an adult gohan, who might not be as strong as his teen counterpart, yet still strong enoug hand goten should surpass the kamehameha of teen gohanand regarding the interference of trunks....... look at 4:15 of this video where trunks shoots his ki ball at brolys ki-ball.... the moment trunks ki ball hits broly looks confused and fires few more ki balls, but they explode before they can enhance his main ki ball.... that probably means that trunks ki ball interrupted brolys ki flow or some mystical kung fu gibberish like that, that's also the moment where goku sees his opportunity and commands his sons to give it all and they manage to shoot broly into the sun. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. It's stated Gohan became a pussy and got way weaker than his Teenage counterpart. First, that's an opinion. You're one of the most impressive manga/anime debaters on this site imo but your whole stance on Broly winning this battle saddens me. But now (after he healed) he has to face another enemy who came back to earth for revenge. Broly still stomps even if you don't think he's galaxy level. That's also how we ended up with GT, so go figure. The event is Shown, directly. You could literally create the same effect in MSPaint. Still strong enough for Goku to lock onto with Instant Transmission. That implies that MSSJ Goku, who thought he could take SSJ Broly, is Galaxy-Level. Crumbs. 0 0. Did you see them open up Microsoft Paint and do it? © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Brolt lss. Gohan's punch did NOTHING to broly. @mezame: There are characters in GT who can destroy dimensions so that statement isn't entirely true. Broly didn't galaxy bust. 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